Sunday, September 7, 2008

John Stemberger's Florida4marriage used "Dutch Study" to dupe gullible pastors and church goers.

From the now defunct florida4marriage.org, led by John Stemberger -- leader of the Florida anti-marriage movement -- the "Dutch Study" (Via Glenn Stanton of Focus of the Family) was used to portray gay people as being inherently promiscuous:
Is Marriage in Jeopardy?
August 27, 2003
by Glenn T. Stanton


Q: But doesn’t expanding marriage to include homosexuals actually help strengthen marriage?

A: Just the opposite. There is recent evidence from the Netherlands, arguably the most “gay-friendly” culture on earth, that homosexual men have a very difficult time honoring the ideal of marriage. Even though same-sex “marriage” is legal there, a British medical journal reports male homosexual relationships last, on average, 1.5 years, and gay men have an average of eight partners a year outside of their supposedly “committed” relationships.
However, as BoxTurtleBulletin notes (bold mine):
--This study was not about gay relationships, as most people who misuse this study claims. Its purpose was to study how HIV is transmitted in the Dutch population. That’s why the study was based only on those with HIV/AIDS attending STD clinics. It is no more generalizable to the general LGBT population than heterosexuals with STD’s are representative of straight people overall.

--This study excluded everyone over thirty — the prime age in which people are more likely to settle down and marry.

--“Relationships” weren’t defined. Anything including a second date to a lifetime commitment could be counted. You simply cannot compare that to straight couples who are married as the FRC does. FRC cites the study as taking place in a country with “legalized homosexual marriage”, but the Netherlands didn’t have anything like it when the study ended in 1998.

Registered partnerships for same-sex and opposite-sex couples didn’t begin until October 1, 1999. A limited form of same-sex marriage wasn’t available until 2001.

--And this is the most important point of all: Because the purpose of the study was to look at how AIDS is transmitted, all monogamous couples were specifically excluded from the study. Because monogamous couples aren’t transmitting HIV, they would have been completely irrelevant to the study’s goals.
These "Christians," John Stemberger and Glenn Stanton, have been using a study that EXCLUDED monogamous gay couples to show that gay couples are not monogamous!

AND THEY'RE STILL DOING IT!

From Focus on the Family: Marriage on the Ropes:
Studies show that homosexual men, in particular, have a difficult time honoring even the most basic commitments of "marriage." A recent study conducted in the Netherlands — a "progressive" nation in which gay marriage has been legal for several years — found that the average homosexual relationship lasts only 1.5 years, and that gay men have an average of eight sexual partners per year outside of their "primary" relationship!
Related post: Florida (Yes on 2) anti-marriage movement uses "Dutch Study" to further their cause.
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Studies like these need to be sought out and carefully edited - meaning that the deception is willful.

So to all you "Christians" and pastors out there who feel that intentional dishonesty is acceptable to your "Lord Jesus Christ," just remember, this is your witness to the rest of we "lost," "confused," and "damned to hell for all eternity" homosexuals.

including to those of us who already happen to be 'unthinkably Christian' as well!

3 comments:

feetxxxl said...

thank you for your commments. this tactic has been used over and by pseudo scientific organizations. what i would like to know what is the system of the funding that would fuel this kind of deceitful behavior.

"the truth will set you free."

Jason said...

They say this stuff because it's preaching to the choir, the only people with brains enough to try to get at the bottom of these "studies" were already skeptical of the motives in the first place.
The sheeple even repeat these false claims in blogs and comments sections all over the internet, and when you call them on it, and point it out, they either say you're the one that's lying, that it doesn't matter if it's true or not because gays are evil, and or they repeat the mantra that this is science and science doesn't lie.
I really wish you could have a class action lawsuit for slander or libel, cause that's what these folks have been doing for years, lying about us.

Emproph said...

feetxxxl said...

“what i would like to know what is the system of the funding that would fuel this kind of deceitful behavior.”

Addiction to ego/pride/feeling of specialness, etc., that's all I can make of it. Because it’s not like you can get a straight answer from them.

If you think about it though, it actually seems perfectly natural. There’s no more “kill or be killed” or “fight of flight” to deal with, so what’s the human ego (technically “Satan”) left to do to increase its feeling of self worth?

And what’s the easiest way of accomplishing that? Make someone else feel LESS important. (to phrase insatiable-hatred politely…)
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Jason said...

“and when you call them on it, and point it out, they either say you're the one that's lying, that it doesn't matter if it's true or not because gays are evil, and or they repeat the mantra that this is science and science doesn't lie.”

Unless it comes to evolution or any biological cause for homosexuality, and if anyone says differently, then they’ve been corrupted by the “gay agenda.”

It’s infuriatingly disgusting, I know, I’ve been through it.
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I don’t know what to do either, it seems that there’s just no reaching them. They must be terribly insecure and fearful.

Do they really believe a God of Love could even be capable of designing a hell of eternal suffering? After all, if God knows everything, wouldn’t “He” (She/It/We) also know who would be going there before it (hell) was even created?

Come to think of it, I'd be scared of a god like that too, but I sure wouldn't love it.