First of all Chew, you'll have to forgive me for not
Not that I'm trying to prevent anyone from seeing them, as I freely link to your post, but my rebuttle is long enough and off the wall enough as it is ;)
That said, the following quoted material in green is from the Chronicles of Chew, and my commentary is inbetween...
A Question of Love - Keith OlbermannYes, lettuce. Since only a person who knows the mind of God could know that the Bible was made of the mind of God.
Keith Olbermann, on MSNBC news had this to say to the people voting for propisition 8 in California.
Plainly put Mr. Olbermann, you certainly do not understand what the faith of Christianity is, or what the bible says about love and homosexuality. First off lets clear the air about this "Universal Love".
People for some reason believe that the God of the bible is a lovey dovey kind of, "aww it's ok I love you" kind of God.Oh my, that's terrible.
God does love you, but you have to understand in what way does God say He loves you. A parent doesn't just raise their children and tell them "aww it's ok, I love you" when their child does something wrong. The parent will tell the child what they have done is wrong and will punish them for it. The same is true of God and the sins of man.God is a god of limited love. Check. And here to think that I’ve been foolishly wasting my time worshipping a god without limitations...
God has told us in the bible that sins are wrong and points out what sins are in the Ten Commandments:So that’s your opening salvo? That there should be laws preventing Americans from working on Sunday, among other things? And what if your parents tell you to work on the Sabbath?
In particular to homosexuality, the God of the bible says this:Wow! And you think that it’s a good thing that you had to be told that mass murder is a good thing?
If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie witha woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be putto death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them. -Leviticus 20:13
Do go on...
Homosexuality is a sin, just as lying, murdering, and adultery is a sin.Reeelly? And here’s where I think you missed Keith’s point, do you really think that two people loving each other is exactly the same thing as lying, murdering and adultery?
Exactly the same? A life sustaining, socially redeeming intimate relationship with a person of the same gender is just as harmful and injurious as lying to someone, murdering someone, or screwing around on your partner behind their back?
Who, pray tell, is victim of same-sex love, Chew?
The God of the Bible is a Loving God, but He is also a God of Justice…This is the love the Bible speaks of, not a "universal love" or a worldy love.So you’re saying that God’s love is "conditional," as opposed to the "universal" AKA unconditional love that dominates this world?
Again, do go on…
God doens't just love everyone,Unlike we Earthly-bound sinners who do love everyone?
He loves everyone in such a way that He sent His Son to die for them as a sacrifice to atone for their sins. If you don't believe in Jesus, then you will still stand condemned.According to whom? The god of the Bible whom you consider yourself to be on par with?
The "do unto others as you would have others do unto you" statement Kieth Olbermann is talking about is half right, it is from the book of Mark in the Bible:Actually it’s from the book of math, everybody love everybody = maximum freedom for all.
And to preempt, there are actions and there are consequences. No God of justice punishes infinitely for finite sins. To believe such is to believe insanity.
So yes, we should love each other as we love ourselves, but we should also love God with our entire being. How do we show God our love? The same way a child shows a parent their love, by listening to them and obeying them.Blindly? Isn't one of the responsibilities of a parent to teach their child to think for themselves, AKA - how to be responsible?
Commiting to what God has said to us in the bible we show Him our love.Let me know when your “Biblical commitments” include the illegalization of divorce and remarriage, and we’ll talk. Until then, BULLSHIT!
By believing that Jesus paid the price for our sins, and that He was truly the Son of God, God in the flesh, and that through Him, turning away from our sins, we are saved from being condemned to an eternity in Hell.
This doesn't mean we shouldn't share the same rights as human beings in this country,I take it that the "same rights" part was a typo?
but please don't sit there and argue that Christians should "do unto others as you would have other do unto yourself".Who, moi? I've been arguing for years that the best way for you Christians to bring we godless heathens to Christ is to fuck us all over - legally and with impunity.
Using this argument and saying that God is a God of Love, why can't you love us the way your God does is a misunderstanding of this.Those damn godless heathens and their godless god. Breathtaking audacity I tell ya, just breathtaking.
God is a God of Love and Justice.Good God, and here all this time I thought Love was about injustice. *Phew*
As humans we all have rights, however as sinners we all don't deserve any of them. It is only by God's grace alone we have anything at all.(Pause for emphasis...)
Chew, if your “holier than thou” beliefs require such a litany of inconsistency, the suggestion that sin requires no victim, and the idea that the death threat of Leviticus 20:13 is legitimate, and something that needed to be brought to your attention, then your problem isn’t with the definition of marriage, it’s with the definition of God's grace itself.
What you’re suggesting is that this:
Grace: address, adroitness, agility, allure, attractiveness, balance, beauty, breeding, comeliness, consideration, cultivation, decency, decorum, dexterity, dignity, ease, elegance, etiquette, finesse, finish, form, gracefulness, lissomeness, lithesomeness, mannerliness, manners, nimbleness, pleasantness, pliancy, poise, polish, propriety, refinement, shapeliness, smoothness, style, suppleness, symmetry, tact, tastefulness
Is indistinguishable from this:
Leviticus 20:13 "If a man lies with a man...They must be put to death.
You can do better.