Re: Abortion debate: Spontaneous Abortion

REP. ROSA DELAURO (D), CONNECTICUT: …But it is a combination -- as Tim Ryan pointed out -- of prevention, and if you don‘t want to deal with the issue of prevention or with contraception, then you may not be serious about wanting to reduce that need for abortions or unintended pregnancies.

~Hardball with Chris Matthews May 19, 2009

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This is a reference post in regard to the abortion debate, reprinted (with a few modifications) from the Teach The Facts / Vigilance blog, in response to Theresa Rickman this anonymous commenter:

thanks for the reminder about the suffering caused by the liberal agenda's support for abortion

also, the suffering experienced by innocent disadvantaged inner city kids who have no choice but to attend dangerous schools and mix with violent gangs greatly dwarfs any suffering experienced by the evil conspirators in U.S. custody who are guilty of planning the death of thousands of innocent people on 9/11 and have shown no remorse

Jesse Jackson once called abortion racist because it disproportionately kills minority children

both abortion and no-choice schools are attacks on disadvantaged children in America

would be nice to see TTF apply the kind of rage they feel over the treatment of murderous monsters to the conditions imposed on innocent disadvantaged children by liberals in America

will they ever repent?

And now for my diatribe in response:

Anonymous: “would be nice to see TTF apply the kind of rage they feel over the treatment of murderous monsters to the conditions imposed on innocent disadvantaged children by liberals in America”

You know what would be even nicer - social conservatives getting a grip on reality. A long term memory wouldn’t hurt either.

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Anonymous: “thanks for the reminder about the suffering caused by the liberal agenda's support for abortion”

Some of the “concern” the pro-life crowd has for human life:

A search for spontaneous abortion brings up:

Spontaneous abortion is a very common experience for women. It is estimated that between 25-50% of conceptions spontaneously abort. Researchers do not have an exact figure due to the fact that when this occurs very early on, many women do not know that they were ever pregnant.

A search for Miscarriage statistics yields similar results:

Miscarriage Statistics - A Look at the Figures and Definitions Miscarriage statistics can be dramatic. Miscarriage reportedly occurs in 20 percent of all pregnancies. However, according to some sources, this may be an inaccurate number. Many women, before realizing a life has begun forming within them, may miscarry without knowing it-assuming their miscarriage is merely a heavier period. Therefore, the miscarriage rate may be closer to 40 or 50 percent.

That’s quite a few newly created eternal souls that end up in the garbage bin. Where’s the outrage for all of those poor souls? Why aren’t you soliciting congress to pour money into research that would prevent all miscarriages?

Further, 30,000 already born children die of starvation every day. That’s nearly 11 million preventable deaths a year, and about 400 million since Roe v Wade was decided in ‘73. (http://www.starvation.net/)

Starvation is a slow and PAINFUL death. One would think that would factor in as far as priorities go.

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More on the “liberal agenda's support for abortion”:

Democrats for LIFE of America:

The 95-10 Initiative [95% reduction in 10 years] seeks to reduce the number of abortions in America…

…We cannot deny that abstinence is the only sure way to prevent pregnancy, but we also cannot turn our heads and pretend that our children are not engaging in risky behavior or the fact that contraception is not 100 percent effective. The Federal government has made a commitment to support prevention efforts and allocated a record $288.3 million in FY 2005 for family planning under title X. The program provides access to contraceptive supplies and information to all who want and need them. A priority is given to low-income persons.

Further reading: The 17 programs of the "95-10 Initiative”

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Still more on the “liberal agenda's support for abortion”:

MSNBC’s Hardball with Chris Matthews, May 19 2009:

But we begin with President Obama at Notre Dame and the debate over abortion… …They‘re working together, however, on legislation to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies and thereby reduce the number of abortions.

REP. TIM RYAN (D), OHIO: …most abortions are performed on women who live within 200 percent of the poverty level, so this is really about access to prevention. …at the same time, incentivize adoption and those social service programs, that if a woman does get pregnant, she has the wherewithal to bring the baby to term, know that the baby will have health care, make sure that if she‘s in college, that there are child care centers at the college campus, all of those things, nurses for newborns, those programs that would encourage the woman to bring the baby to term.

[I’m 40, I’ve been a news junkie since I was 15, and I can’t remember the last time I heard a social conservative or Republican make those suggestions.]

REP. ROSA DELAURO (D), CONNECTICUT: …But it is a combination -- as Tim Ryan pointed out -- of prevention, and if you don‘t want to deal with the issue of prevention or with contraception, then you may not be serious about wanting to reduce that need for abortions or unintended pregnancies.

That pretty much sums it up. “Just say no” appears to be the only “solution” that social conservatives have to offer, (and I’m not talking about self-determination, I’m talking about coerced indoctrination.) blissfully unaware that stifling and suppressing the sexual - or creative force of human nature, only ensures that it comes out as the destructive force of human nature.

As far as “just say no” goes, you may as well be trying to prevent relationships.
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The same thoughtful considerations were discussed on Chris Matthews on March 6th of this year, except this time Ken Blackwell of the FRC was also on, and had nothing more to offer than pompous bluster and the “Just say no” “outlaw it” mantra.

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Anonymous: “Jesse Jackson once called abortion racist because it disproportionately kills minority children”

Where? When? Until you provide a source for that information, it’s nothing more than a baseless assertion, but I’ll humor you:

Disproportionate African-American POVERTY is racist. It’s a connection between poverty and racism, abortion falls under that category.
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Anonymous: “also, the suffering experienced by innocent disadvantaged inner city kids who have no choice but to attend dangerous schools and mix with violent gangs greatly dwarfs any suffering experienced by the evil conspirators in U.S. custody who are guilty of planning the death of thousands of innocent people on 9/11 and have shown no remorse

would be nice to see TTF apply the kind of rage they feel over the treatment of murderous monsters to the conditions imposed on innocent disadvantaged children by liberals in America”

(Oh the pain, the pain of it all. Won’t somebody please think about the children!)

Where was your concern for “the children” these past eight years of “stick it to the poor and give it to the rich?

Funding cuts for Medicaid, food stamps, eligibility for food stamps, school lunch programs, student loan subsidies, etc. But extension of tax cuts on capital gains and dividend income, A OK. And that’s just from one Associated Press article via Fox News:

“Republicans said reining in such programs whose costs spiral upward each year automatically s (sic) the first step to restoring fiscal discipline.”

Yet Republican policies are responsible for adding 4 trillion to the national debt. Fiscal discipline my derriere.

Republicans for the rich, Democrats for the impoverished children, every step of the way, and I watched it all happen live on CSPAN, every day - I am a first hand eye-witness.

If you want to argue better ways of helping the poor, I have no objections. But cut the nonsense as to feigning concern for them.

The past eight years have been an orgy of corruption, greed, waste, fraud and abuse. Your willful ignorance is blinding. But you don’t miss a trick when it comes to your daily talking points, do you? Regurgitating all of it, verifying none of it.

(Did your "family" groups have to tell you to distract from the issues by characterizing liberal’s concern for the law as concern for monsters, or is that something you came up with on your own?)

All of that is just the tip of the iceberg. 600 billion (1 trillion estimated) on an unnecessary and illegal war with a country that had NOTHING to do with 9/11, resulting in millions of deaths, injuries, maimings, refugees and destroyed lives. Yet even when it comes to our own, Republicans cut veterans’ benefits - in the name of "fiscal discipline."

Social conservatives may be anti-abortion, but you’re not only not pro-life, you’re definitively pro-death.

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Anonymous: “will they ever repent?”

Anyone who feels bad about not living up to the Golden Rule when it comes to the treatment of others, IS repentant. Hence the “bleeding heart” part of the “bleeding heart liberals” pejorative -- we supposedly care too much.

The “morality” and “values” of self-proclaimed socially conservative Christians have all the properties of human dung, except the only thing it fertilizes is your own egos.

When you die, you won’t be separate from your “enemies,” and you will feel their pain, and will have to live with that.

I apply that same understanding to my own life, and to be candid, I’m often lousy at practicing the Golden Rule. But when possible, I do atone - no matter how humiliating.

The “liberal agenda” is anti-unwanted pregnancy, not pro-abortion.