I stand by every word I said to Joe in the call and am not ashamed of any of it
Stacy Harp: This is me calling Joe Brummer. Let’s see if he answers his phone.
Joe Brummer: Hello?
Stacy: Hello, how are ya buddy?
Joe: Stacy, I’m good, how are you?
Stacy: This call is being recorded for my protection. So, I just thought I’d give you a ring, seeing as you’re too cowardly to give me a call.
Joe: Well, you’re off to a good start.
Stacy: Oh I am, ain’t I?
Joe: …actually the time that…,
Stacy: So I’ve called you up, alright. So let’s talk.
Joe: …So let’s talk…well, I’m definitely, I,
Stacy: Yeah, let’s talk, let’s talk, because you’re the one who seems to think, for some strange unknown reason, that I’m threatening, and so let’s, let’s talk.
Joe: Well, I’d love to chat, but I really can’t right now.
Stacy: Of course not, why would you, you know, of course, why can’t you talk now?
Joe: Because it’s the middle of the workday,
Joe: and I have a meeting in about a half hour, that I need to leave for work
Stacy: Oh how convenient.
Joe: Well, you know, life’s not always convenient, but I can’t talk to you and jump in the shower at the same time. So, but I’ll be happy to call back.
Stacy: Oh, so you’re actually going to call me back
Joe: You seem pretty determined to talk, and I don’t think that’s a bad thing.
Stacy: So you’re actually going to call me back?
Stacy: I, ya know, this-this is remarkable, I actually have this on tape. So, I can’t believe that Joe Brummer, is actually going to call Stacy Harp, back. Wow. That’s just amazing to me. But, I-I just have a question,
Joe: Actually not that...
Stacy: Actually I have a question though, and here’s my question, my question is, um, how come you were too chicken to pick up the phone and give me a call?
Joe: I don’t think it’s a matter of being too chicken, I just didn’t think it was going to be productive.
Stacy: Actually see, I think it has a lot to do with being a chicken.
Stacy: See I’m not afraid to tell you what I think to your face, or to your ear if you will. Um, but, you know it’s real easy to attack somebody online and in person, but, ya know, to actually pick up the…
Joe: I don’t know, you seem to be doing a good job in person.
Stacy: ..actually pick up the phone, and-and um call somebody, and really try to get to know them, I think that says a lot. That you are too afraid to do that, that you could not make the first move. That is totally revealing to me. Totally, totally. And you know what, it really, it’s really sad, you know why, because, I think, it’s a lot easier to vilify me online, you know, when you don’t know me. And, see I’m the type of person - I’m not afraid to actually engage somebody and reach out, and touch them, if you will. So, um, you know, I, you know, I don’t have a problem telling you exactly what I think, I’m not afraid of you, but for some strange unknown reason, it just seems to me that, whenever somebody like you, likes to pick on people online, mischaracterize them, vilify them, etcetera, you know, when you’re called on the carpet, you’re too chicken to call. So, you put your phone number -- I had to go dig it up by the way -- and uh, you say ok, I haven’t called you, well the reason I’ve never called you is because I was never invited to call you. So,
Joe: That’s not true.
Stacy: Therefore you give me the invite to call you…
Joe: That’s not true.
Stacy: …you give me the invite to call you, and so,
Joe: That’s not true Stacy.
Stacy: …I call you within minutes.
Joe: You-I have an email, that I sent to you that invited you to call me, and gave you my number. What do you mean I never invited you to call me, that’s not true.
Stacy: Actually, you gave me your phone number right here…
Joe: I have an email.
Stacy: …This phone number, in the email that you sent me, it says: “Oops, I meant to include my cell phone in the last email, sorry, cold medicines are doing wonders for my thinking today,” March first.
Joe: You know, why would someone give a phone number if they weren’t inviting you to call it?
Stacy: Well you didn’t say specifically to call you.
Joe: But you just said to me-you just said to me, oh you’ve never invited me to call you, well then why in the world would I give you my number? That’s kind of silly.
Stacy: Well, it’s for you to be a victim, Joe. You’re the classic victim.
Joe: You know what, I’m not a victim in any way.
Stacy: Oh you’re totally a victim.
Joe: I don’t know why you love to say that, but,
Stacy: You’re a victim!
Joe: But that’s fine, I don’t really care that you want to say that.
Stacy: You’re totally a victim.
Joe: If that’s what you want to believe, that’s fine.
Stacy: I totally believe it.
Joe: What you believe about me, has nothing to do with what you are doing on your website.
Joe: With this constant portrayal of negative images, about gays and lesbians.
Stacy: Well, for some reason you-you…
Joe: You can claim whatever you want about me, I don’t really care..
Stacy: Apparently you do care because you wouldn’t be writing about me so much if you didn’t care.
Joe: I don’t write about you…
Stacy: Baloney, you put…
Joe: I don’t write about you personally…
Stacy: Oh, I’m-I’m sorry, that-that…
Joe: I write about what you are doing.
Stacy: Joe that is such baloney, you totally write about me.
Joe: I write about what you are doing.
Stacy: You totally write about me personally. You put my name all over your website…
Joe: If that’s what you want to believe…
Stacy: You’re obsessed with me, I think you-you really like me. I think you want to have a relationship with me, frankly.
Joe: Wow, that’s out there, but okay.
Stacy: Oh wait, either that or…
Joe: You can believe whatever you would like to believe…
Stacy: Either that Joe, or you know what, you want to have a relationship with little three year old kids. I honestly cannot believe that you support teaching homosexuality and about homosexual sex to three year olds. Do you know how sick that is?
Joe: I don’t support teaching sex to three year olds!
Stacy: Oh, I’m sorry, but you actually wrote on my blog that you think it’s totally fine to teach homosexuality, to three year olds. So that’s…
Joe: I think it should be done in an age appropriate way.
Stacy: You said three year olds, you commented on the subject of three year olds.
Joe: You know what, I know a three year old, who knows all about his neighbors, that happen to be gay. He doesn’t know anything about sex, he just knows, that there’s two men who are a couple behind him.
Stacy: Homosexuality is all about sex.
Joe: …he doesn’t understand that there’s sex involved in it, he just knows that the two people behind him are a couple. He doesn’t know more than that.
Stacy: Homosexuality is all about sex Joe.
Joe: If that’s what you want to believe - we both know that’s not true.
Stacy: Oh it’s totally true. You would not be a homosexual if it wasn’t for the fact that you like men.
Joe: You wouldn’t be a heterosexual if it wasn’t for the fact that you like men. Ditto.
Stacy: I hate to tell you something Joe, but you’re normal. You’re a normal, man, with a sexual deviant behavior. That’s what you are. And you like…
Joe: Ok, well, if that’s what you’d like to believe,
Stacy: Hey, I totally…
Joe: I think there’s world of evidence that scientifically proves that that’s not true.
Stacy: There is no evidence out there
Joe: Well that’s fine.
Stacy: You’re in total denial. And for you to enjoy sex with a man, you know, whether it’s anal or oral, whatever the heck it is you do, that’s just wrong. It’s perverted - It’s disgusting - It’s unnatural - and you know it.
Joe: And what I do in my bedroom is none of your business.
Stacy: Well then why do you blog about it on your blog and make it the world’s business?
Joe: I don’t blog about sex, I blog about political issues involving gays and lesbians.
Stacy: You blog about homosexuality, which is all about sex. That’s what it’s all about, and so my blog is to…
Joe: If this conversations is a matter of you talking, and me-you expecting that I’m going to listen, and that’s not going to be the way that this conversation’s going to go, if it’s going to happen at all.
Stacy: Oh wow, this is going to be a great sound bite for me, and that’s exactly the point, you don’t listen. You go ahead, and you make it all about you, you know, I write exactly what I think, what I say, and the truth, and you take it and you twist my words, to make it appear…
Joe: I didn’t twist your words, I printed your words exactly. I didn’t twist them at all.
Stacy: But ya know…
Joe: I reprinted your exact statement.
Stacy: …it’s very very very very scary to me that you cannot see beyond your nose, to somebody else who has feelings, and that you can’t admit when you’re wrong. That is just scary, and the fact that you think teaching three year olds about sex is absolutely evil, I’m so…
Joe: I think that’s really a twist of the issue.
Stacy: No, that’s not a twist of the issue at all…
Joe: But that's fine if that how you want to twist it and spin it.
Stacy: …when you’re teaching homo-sex-u-al-ity, to children, children don’t learn about heterosexual sex at three years old, so how can they actually hear about homosexual sex at three years old?
Joe: And as I’ve said, I’m not suggesting that we teach them sex.
Stacy: That is absolutely disgusting Joe, that’s absolutely disgusting.
Joe: I, I don’t think so.
Stacy: That is so disgusting that you would want to teach three year olds about homosexuality, which is all about sex. All about it. It’s totally all about it.
Joe: Well, none of this is even true, so, you can twist it however you want.
Stacy: I’m not twisting it, those are your words.
Joe: Those statements are not true.
Stacy: Those are your words buddy. You actually..
Joe: I think it’s your spin on my words.
Stacy: Oh no no, it’s not my spin, you printed ‘em, you said you support teaching homoSEXuality to three year olds! That’s disgusting.
Joe: I absolutely do. I do, in an age appropriate way.
Stacy: Homosexuality is all about sex, and that’s disgusting. You don’t teach sex to three year olds. I’m sorry, but that just is not appropriate. You do not do that.
Joe: Well, I think in an age appropriate way, if we do…
Stacy: There is no age appropriate way to talk about anal sex and oral sex to three year olds, Joe. There is not appropriate way.
Joe: Stacy, you’re twisting this in a very manipulative way.
Stacy: I am not twisting this, I am not twisting it.
Joe: That’s really manipulative…
Stacy: The article that I posted, that you…
Joe: Stacy, stop. Stop. For five seconds, let me finish a statement without you cutting me off.
Stacy: Hey, this is my dime, so, you know..
Joe: It’s actually my dime too because these are my minutes, so..
Stacy: Aw, well poor baby.
Joe: So, it’s our dime.
Stacy: You don’t have like, unlimited minutes?
Joe: Not during peak hours I don’t.
Stacy: Oh, wow, ok so, so you actually think that it’s ok to uh, to teach homosexuality to three year olds. That is really, that’s twisted.
Joe: Let me finish that statement.
Stacy: That’s totally twisted.
Joe: I will even let you have it as a sound bite.
Stacy: It’s actually unbelievable. That you would think…
Joe: I believe that - are you going to let me finish a statement or are you going to cut off every time I open my mouth?
Stacy: Well, it’s-it’s amazing. I mean, go ahead.
Joe: If you’re not going to let me talk, then you have no sound bites. Since you’re just cutting me off for everything I say.
Joe: And you’re not allowing me to actually complete a sentence with you.
Stacy: Right, well…
Joe: That’s not a conversation, that’s you just talking.
Stacy: So you-you actually, you actually posted on my website, that you think it’s appropriate to teach homosexuality to three year olds, and homosexuality is about sex. So that’s disgusting.
Joe: You’ve already said that already.
Stacy: Yes I did.
Joe: I’ve tried to respond to that, and you’ve cut me off.
Stacy: Oh go ahead, respond…So homosexuality isn’t about anal and oral sex and disgusting bathhouse sex, and stuff like that? That’s not what homosexuality’s about?
Joe: No, it’s not.
Stacy: So you don’t think that that actually exists within the homosexual community?
Joe: I think it exists within the heterosexual community.
Stacy: Oh, so it does exist within the homosexual community, and that’s what you’re advocating teaching to three year olds.
Joe: Well, absolutely not.
Stacy: Ok, alright.
Joe: But you’re-you’re twisting it…
Stacy: I’m not twisting it, that’s exactly what…
Joe: You have not let me finish the statement.
Stacy: Go ahead, go ahead.
Joe: Don’t put words in my mouth. I am-I absolutely think that we should teach kids young about the different types of people and relationships..
Joe: Teaching them sex, is something completely different.
Stacy: Yeah, well, ya know..
Joe: Three year olds don’t even know what sex is.
Stacy: That’s what the article is about, though, it’s about teaching homoSEXuality to three year olds, which is absolutely, disgusting.
Joe: No, it’s about teaching to respect that there are other people that might be different from them.
Stacy: No, it’s about teaching them about homosexuality, which is about sex, and until you get that through your thick head, you’d know that.
Joe: All of my nieces and nephews were taught that they have gay uncles.
Joe: Or guncles as we jokingly call them around here. They know, they have no idea at three years old, but, you know… they have two guncles.
Stacy: Do they know you put your penis in somebody’s asshole? Do they know that? Do they know you put your penis in somebody’s asshole? Do they know that?
Joe: No, they actually didn’t know that.
Stacy: Oh, ok, well why don’t you tell them that, because that’s what homosexuality is about.
Joe: Because that’s not age appropriate.
Stacy: Oh, it’s not?
Joe: That’s not what homosexuality’s about.
Stacy: Oh, I’m sorry, but isn’t…
Joe: You know what, what you’re trying to is just reduce gay males to sex…
Stacy: No no no no no! No no! Homosexuality is totally about sex Joe. Until you figure that out…
Joe: Again … If you’re not going to talk to me calm, you’re not going to have a conversation with me.
Stacy: No, I’m telling you…
Joe: It’s a matter of you cutting off everything…
Stacy: If you cannot look at homosexuality, about anal sex, that’s what it’s about. That’s totally what it’s about. And you know it.
Joe: And we both know that’s a lie.
Stacy: It’s not a lie, it’s totally the truth. That’s what makes you gay, is that you like to put your penis in somebody’s asshole. That’s what makes you gay.
Joe: What makes me gay is that I’m attracted to men, not just with sex, but with my emotional…
Stacy: That’s right, you’re attracted to putting your penis in somebody’s asshole, that’s what you’re attracted to, and that’s pretty disgusting.
Joe: Are you not attracted to men?
Stacy: I’m normal, I’m a woman, I am attracted to men.
Joe: I’m normal as well, you’ve already said earlier in this conversation that I’m normal.
Stacy: You’re a normal deviant, yes, that’s right. So..
Joe: If you’re just going to sit here and not have a conversation with me, you really…
Stacy: No, this is-this is…
Joe: You cut off, you cut me off again…
Stacy: …this is the conversation.
Joe: If you’re going to cut me off every time I try to talk, I’m not going to talk to you. I’m just going to hang up.
Stacy: Oh, well, you know what, you don’t have the guts or the fortitude to look at the truth Joe.
Joe: You haven’t had the guts to listen to a fucking thing I’ve said.
Stacy: Oh, really? Well, you know, I had the guts to call you up, that’s more that what you had to do to me.
Joe: Listen, you know, this isn’t a…
Stacy: You know, so, you know so, you go ahead and you put up things about me that aren’t true.
Joe: This is not accurate, I’ve never written a thing about you that isn’t true.
Stacy: You misrepresent things that I write. And it is absolutely, un…
Joe: I have said before, If you’re not going to listen to the things I say, I’m hanging up.
Stacy: Why should I listen to the things that you say, Joe, you lie through your teeth.
Joe: Did you call me to just talk at me, because you could have written a little letter to do that?
Stacy: No, you know it’s…so let me ask you something…
Joe: Regardless, I now have less than fifteen minutes to get myself out the door.
Stacy: So if you putting your penis…
Joe: I’m hanging up now.
Stacy: …in somebody’s asshole, and this isn’t about sex…
Joe: I am not going to have a sexual conversation with you.
Stacy: …then I don’t know what is.
Joe: This is inappropriate.
Stacy: It’s absolutely…
Joe: I’m not going to have a sexual conversation with you.
Stacy: Oh because…
Joe: It’s inappropriate.
Stacy: …because it’s totally true, what I say, that…
Joe: It’s not appropriate…
Stacy: Putting your penis in somebody’s asshole…
Joe: …to have a sexual conversation with you.
Stacy: …is all about anal sex, and that’s what you do…
Joe: Stacy, you have a nice day.
Stacy: …right? That’s exactly what you do.
Joe: Have a nice day, thank you for calling.
Stacy: That’s what you do.
Stacy Harp: Ladies and gentlemen, that was Joe Brummer, denying, that homosexuality, is all about putting his penis, in somebody’s asshole. You know, and uh, it’s really interesting, that you know, he doesn’t have the guts to admit that, but now he wants to make it all about, not that. So, you know, there ya go, I mean this is just evidence that somebody who supports the fact that homosexuality is about um-is about um, you know having kids, having sex with kids, ‘n stuff, unbelievable.