~ I don't think anything has made me want to punch a baby more :
~ Oh...Oh god...How dare the use children like that!
~ Oh, hi child exploitation.
~ this is fucking terrible.
~ Those poor children.
~ talk about indoctrination.
~ excuse me while I vomit up my lunch in the corner.
~ frankly, at times I wish your God were real, because the thought of you roasting in hell for manipulating these innocent children is a pleasant one.
~ This is like bizarro sesame street. I wish I could vote 0 on a video.
~ There really is no low to which this side won't sink.
Full transcript of video. As always, feel free to copy at will. Commentary follows.
Prop 8 Speaker: We have Alan on the phone with us. Alan, can you hear me?
Alan Chambers: I can hear you.
Prop 8 Speaker: Thank you for that inspiring testimony, that’s awesome. We want you to talk to us - we’re here in California - you full well know, 40 days, we have 40 days and that’s it. Why is same-sex marriage a bad thing?
Alan Chambers: Well for me, same-sex marriage would have only hindered my ability to come to the Lord, you know. It would have only put one more obstacle in the way that wasn’t there at the time, and I’m so grateful that back in 1990 and 1991, that wasn’t something that stood in my way in coming to Christ in the way that He had me come to Him. If that had been an option for me I certainly would have chosen it, and it would have been a more difficult road for me, and I think that that’s the truth for young people like me who don’t need this obstacle in their way.
Prop 8 Speaker: I s’pose the simplest question I want to ask right now is, people who struggle with same sex attraction - you are a testimony, and you know others who can be set free, who can walk free of that particular action. Am I correct?
Alan Chambers: Absolutely. I am one of tens of thousands, if not more, of men and women who have found freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ, and for more than 15 years I’ve been walking in that freedom, and my story is just, is a dime a dozen. There are men and women who have found freedom and who’ve been walking in that freedom for four and five decades. The truth is that First Corinthians 6:9-11 is true, ‘and such were some of us’, and freedom is possible for those who want it.
Prop 8 Speaker: Alan, I’m praying for two things. The Lord began to really burden my heart with this about ten days ago, very intense, and it came very strongly. Number one, is that there be an avalanche of love from Bible believing Christians to those struggling with homosexuality - a massive avalanche of love. Secondly, there be an outbreak of revival, inexplicably, within the midst of the homosexual community. Now talk to us about the first one. Coach us, how do we do that?
Alan Chambers: You know, I think that we have angry and bitter gay rights movement today. Because we in the Church have failed the homosexual community. I think we have beaten people over the head with the truth of Scripture, and failed to uphold the other 100% of Jesus, and that was grace. We failed to understand that they’re human beings, that Christ died for them or He died for none of us. And I think that that is a message that we have to share louder than we have shared it. We have to do more to reach out to people than we done in the past, because they remember that Church as that awful hateful place that only spoke the truth. And we’ve got to do a really good job of reaching out with Christ’s Love, to people who deserve it. And thinking about loving the homosexual isn’t hard if you think of this, they are our brothers, they are our sisters, they are our moms, our dads, our next door neighbors. They’re people who have been hurt more than they’ve been anything in this life, and it’s easy to love people like that, and I think we in the Church have that capacity more than anyone else. And if we show them that love, I think that will be a compelling reason for them to come to Christ.
Prop 8 Speaker: Alan, thank you for who you are and what you represent, you’re an encouragement to so many of us, and thank you for standing and being the model you are. We praise God for you and your life.
Alan Chambers: Thank you.
Prop 8 Speaker: Way to go. Blessing on you. Thank you for being with us.
Many points regarding that exchange have been intelligently rebuffed in that Ex-Gay Watch thread. Two in particular jumped out for me:
Ben in Oakland:Can you say “My livelihood is in danger?”
grantdale: The saddest thing is… some day soon enough… his children will discover they can google his name in the public library.
God help them, at that time.
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That said, the bad taste that I walk away with first, is the insulting and demeaning tone with which he refers to us:
“the homosexual community,” “they’re human beings,” “Christ died for them.”
“And if we show them that love, I think that will be a compelling reason for them to come to Christ.”
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The fact that Chambers felt the need to clarify that those of us who are same-gender attracted are “human beings” whom “Christ [also] died for,” demonstrates his own innate disdain and disgust for us (and the homosexual 'part' of himself' too, for that matter).
In specific, not only the fact that we accept ourselves as we are, but for some of us, the fact that we also accept our relationship with Jesus/God as valid, true and binding - as is.
Demonstrably, that is the subtext of this little missive of his. I find that it’s not so much about that he wouldn’t have found Christ as an openly gay male, clearly he would have pursued that anyway, but what he attempts to do -- without saying so -- is to imply that anyone who accepts their SSA as non-sinful, is not only sexually broken, but also spiritually broken. Thus nullifying any evidence or testimony to the contrary. Message being that gay persons are incapable of having a valid relationship with Jesus, Christ and/or God.
It is politics at its finest. Despicable, abhorrent, and downright Satanic - in that in his attempt to strip us of our human identity as sexual beings, he also attempts to strip us -- purposefully, and in the eyes of the voting public -- of our spiritual identities as well.
All in the name of “loving us,” in the name of Love itself (God).
You best keep your “love” for us Mr. Chambers, you’ll be needing it shortly, as you are in some deep deep karmic doo-doo.
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Alan Chambers:“they’re human beings”
How thoughtful of him to clarify that we’re not bloodthirsty baby-eating monsters.
And the oh-so ironic clincher: “And we’ve got to do a really good job of reaching out with Christ’s Love, to people who deserve it.”
As opposed to those of us who don’t deserve it, as in conditional love, as in the OPPOSITE of unconditional love, as in the opposite of God's Love.
Ergo, Satanic.
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Alan Chambers:"Absolutely. I am one of tens of thousands, if not more, of men and women who have found freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ."
And for every one of those “tens of thousands” of ex-gays you churn out, Alan Chambers, you’ve managed to generate exponentially more atheists in the process. Directly and otherwise. I’ve met some of them, I am a witness to their fact.
All of whom (at least according to your "deeply held moral beliefs") are doomed to suffer the pain of burning alive for all eternity.
You recently stated: “There are many who do not share our beliefs, nor are they in conflict living as homosexuals. We respect this human right to self-determination. In the spirit of tolerance and diversity, we ask only for the same as well.”
Clearly you don’t “only” ask for the same as well, as the above video so perfectly highlights.
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Alan Chambers, the real truth is, that in the end, when you finally do see the truth of which you claim to speak, you will recognize and realize that God can’t make you forgive yourself.
I humbly suggest you take that sentiment to heart.
Groups of students and parents staged rallies and presented some 85 books on homosexuality from a conservative Christian perspective for inclusion in the libraries at 11 schools in the Fairfax County (Va.) Public School District October 2.
The inspiration for their actions came from a nationwide campaign organized by the Colorado Springs, Colorado–based traditional values group Focus on the Family.
Titles included Joe Dallas’s Desires in Conflict and The Gay Gospel? How Pro-Gay Advocates Misread the Bible and 101 Frequently Asked Questions about Homosexuality by Mike Haley.
According to the following article, Joe Dallas is divorced and remarried. It would appear that he cheated on his first wife, initiated a divorce as the result, and then "married" a second wife.
That's right, the author of the book "The Gay Gospel? How Pro-gay Advocates Misread the Bible," also happens to be an unrepentant bigamist adulterer.
This is the way I view it. Thirty years ago, John McCain wanted Cindy. He did whatever he had to do to get Cindy. That included destroying his family. Leaving a wife, someone who had waited for him while he was a POW, had been severely injured in a car accident and was quite dependent on her husband. He broke up the family of his young children because his desire for a woman 17 years his junior was more important than the needs of the woman he was already married to and the needs of his children.
Fortunately Joe didn't have kids' lives to ruin, but that doesn't stop the fact that he still lives in sin with his current mistress, Renee:
Luke 16:18"Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery."
Plainly, Joe Dallas one of the last people on Earth in a position to judge anyone else who might "Misread the Bible."
They also want Mike Haley's sanitized version of The Eternal Jew in book form put in libraries: "101 Frequently Asked Questions about Homosexuality." In fact why not just be quick about it and call it 101 FA Q's.
He's worth the money, he's got a couple of glistening gems:
Question #47 from pages 108-110,
47. Why does male homosexuality often include promiscuity? [...] A study realeased in 2003 found that the average duration of "steady" homosexual male partnerships was "0.75-2.25 years." What's more, those in the study who identified themselves as being in a "steady" relationship were also found to average eight casual partners a year in addition to their significant other.
OMG, stop the presses, men on men are pigger than pigs. Spooky huh?
Here's the actual scary part. As BoxTurtleBulletin notes (bold mine):
This study excluded everyone over thirty — the prime age in which people are more likely to settle down and marry.
And:
And this is the most important point of all: Because the purpose of the study was to look at how AIDS is transmitted, all monogamous couples were specifically excluded from the study. Because monogamous couples aren’t transmitting HIV, they would have been completely irrelevant to the study’s goals.
And that's just the beginning of what's wrong with the misuse of that study. And THAT'S just the beginning of what's wrong with Mike Haley's book.
Mike Haley is a LIAR, and those who support, promote, and foist the book of a liar onto an unsuspecting public are either liars themselves, or are WILLFULY ignorant. The only difference, is that one of them thinks that it's ok to lie to yourself.
Apparently for them, if you shut your eyes, run a stop sign, and happen to kill someone, it's ok as long as you "took responsibility" by shutting your eyes to the consequences.
Anyone who promotes Mike Haley's book is a LIAR. Anyone who promotes Joe Dallas' books is a liar AND a hypocrite.
And BTW yes, I'm quite "intolerant" of liars and hypocrites, especially when they insist on calling themselves Christians.
I just received my sample “absentee” election ballot in the mail. Here is its full text, as printed on the ballot (italics mine):
NO. 2 CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT ARTICLE I, NEW SECTION
Florida Marriage Protection Amendment
This amendment protects marriage as the legal union of only one man and one woman as husband and wife and provides that no other legal union that is treated as marriage or the substantial equivalent thereof shall be valid or recognized.
The direct financial impact this amendment will have on state and local government revenues and expenditures cannot be determined, but is expected to be minor.
I'm looking for a copy of the ballot online to offer objective verification, but so far, this is the best I can do. And that page comes from the Florida Division of Elections itself, which appears to be as official as it gets as far as Florida elections/ballots go.
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There are six numbered amendments, and one non-numbered referendum on this ballot. NONE of the other amendments, nor the referendum include that fiscal disclaimer.
At first I was wondering if I was the only one who missed that biased little tidbit (for the past 3 years), until I ran across the official signature form, which can be accessed at the state elections site (see above).
That page is from the website Florida4Marriage.org, which is now, and redirects to, Yes2Marriage.org, which, of course, doesn't include a copy of the original signature form, because no additional signatures are necessary, as the amendment is already on the ballot, hence the reason for the words you are reading right now.
Apparently the first site (F4M) was designed to get the signatures, and the second (Y2M) to get the votes.
Granted, had that VERY RECENTLY ADDED fiscal disclaimer been on the signature form, they would have gotten even more support.
So yes, I guess I'm a complete hypocrite, and I'm crying "BIAS!", just like the anti-gay activists did in California when the same thing was done in our favor.
The difference is, it wasn't sprung on them at the last minute.
Oh, AND, not to mention that they're part of the same band of UN-Christian lying SOS's who make a mockery of everything that this country stands for.
