Michael Brown, hypermasculinity, and the "morality" of homosexuality.

Ok it's not perfect, but hopefully you’ll get the gist of it.

Also, this is a bit long, so you may want to get comfy...

IS THERE A “CIVIL RIGHT” TO GAY “MARRIAGE”?
By
Michael L. Brown, Ph.D.,

Director,Coalition of Conscience,
http://www.coalitionofconscience.org/
November 15, 2008

Michael Brown is a culture warrior who regularly employs all the tried and true anti-gay lies and deceptions as a means to achieving their theocratic end. (A rundown of his history can be found here.)

But there are a couple of differences between him and his anti-gay counter parts. 1) He engages.

I found this out when I responded to a post on Dr. Warren Throckmorton’s blog. I made a sarcastic quip and he immediately jumped in to defend himself, and continued to do so throughout the 450 post thread.

In that thread it was suggested that one of the reasons he engages is to hone his anti-gay debate skills for use in the public sphere. No doubt to increase his demonization-of-gays-skills whilst minimizing any appearance of hatred.

Which brings me to my second observation that separates him from the anti-gay pack, one of his techniques.

From his article above:

As gay protests to the passage of Proposition 8 take place in cities across the nation today, it is important that we know the facts. How do we respond truthfully to the statements that are being made?

“I have the right to marry the one I love!”

If that is the case, then shouldn’t Patrick and Susan S. be allowed to marry in Germany? He was adopted as a child and didn’t know he had a sister until she was 16 and he was 23. He has served a prison sentence because of his love for his sister. They have had four children together and do not want to be separated. Why should the government intervene? Patrick says, “We are like normal lovers. We want to have a family.” Susan states, “I just want to live with my family, and be left alone by the authorities and by the courts.” Their attorney argues that the law against a brother and sister marrying “is out of date and it breaches the couple’s civil rights.” Does this sound familiar? If gays should have the “civil right” to marry the ones they love, why not a blood brother and sister, separated as children and reunited later in life?

It is a modification of the “Have you stopped beating your wife” type of question, designed to ensure that any answer will be self incriminating, whilst leaving clean the hands of the questioner.

He used it many times during the Throcmorton/450 thread and I responded to them all, debunking their illogic, without realizing that it was just an exercise on his part.

His favorite response to the plea for the right to marry was: “But what do you say to the ephebophile who wants to marry the love of his life?”

Wikipedia describes ephebophila as “the sexual preference for adolescents around 15-19 years of age.”

In this way he is able to equate consensual adult gay relationships with statutory rape, while avoiding the need to establish any credible connection between the two.

The question itself is rhetorical but is couched in sincerity, so as to get the questionee to awkwardly scramble for a viable response. All of which is just icing on cake as the damage has already been done, the connection has been made. In essence, the question IS the answer.

The ephebophila quirk is simply to avoid any accusation of equating homosexuality with pedophilia, so as to feign an air of "fairness."

The real point of this “gotcha” questioning technique, however, is to implant in the minds of the public that our love is not only worthy of condemnation, but more importantly, that it is worthy of condemnation without consideration.

Which is where the third party appeal to the "authority" of the Bible comes in.

The anti-gay industry-heads like to say that God designed "marriage" to be between one man and one woman. What they really mean is that God designed for love to be between one male and one female.

Marriage is a social construct, love is an element. By framing the construct AS the element, they are able to avoid having to explain why our love does not deserve the same protection as theirs.

Simply speaking, they believe our love is fake, and that we’re just too stupid to realize it. So to deny something fake, is to deny nothing at all. We're just too stupid to see their superior wisdom.

Life begins at conception.

In the same way that they believe an eternal soul is created upon physical conception, they also believe that one’s spiritual/psychological gender is the result of one’s physical gender.

As Wikipedia notes:

Cisgender (IPA: /ˈsɪsdʒɛndə˞/) is an adjective used in the context of gender issues and counselling to refer to a type of gender identity formed by a match between an individual's biological (genotypical) sex and the behavior or role considered appropriate for one's phenotypical sex.[1] In some organizations, cisgender has come to mean, "A gender identity formed by a match between your biological sex and your subconscious sex." [2]
Cisgender exists in contrast to transgender on the gender spectrum. cisgender means normal, where transgender means subconcious is opposite gender to physical gender.

Though they may not use the term, they express the meaning that anything that deviates from the heterosexual-cisgender model is thought to be confusion. A fair enough assumption for the cisgendered-heterosexual to make, until 'the' homosexual or transgender person explains the absence of their confusion. After that, it is indeed bigotry.

What I see as the primary impetus fueling the anti-gay/dominionist movement (and they are related) is a maladaptive sense of hypermasculinity.

Hypermasculinity is a psychological term for the exaggeration of male stereotypical behavior, such as an emphasis on strength, aggression, body hair, odor and virility. This term can be pejorative and it is important not to place a moral interpretation on whether it is desirable, only by whether it is adaptive or maladaptive. It is important to note that this phenomena can result from personal, societal,and cultural influences. Although the behavior can stem from practice and belief systems, marginalized communities of men may also display attributes of hypermasculinity to rebuff stereotyped or generalized behavior. It is also possible for oppressed groups challenged by socially constructed views of their communities to assimilate hypermasculine images and attitudes. This is especially true when part of the oppressive conditions include societal attitudes, laws, and practices that prohibit or change the tradition and norms of the marginalized group. Hypermasculintys' opposite behaviour is termed hypomasculinity. Hypermasculine can also refer to a style of erotic art in which male character's muscles and penis/testicles are portrayed as being unrealistically huge and prominent.

The Barbers, Browns and LaBarberas exhibit this trait in spades, and appear as little more than modern day cavemen ‘marking’ their social territory. Similar to the raging hormonal bonding of teenage boys, they gather around together to splash in pools of their own testosterone. Like a new drug, they're intoxicated with the potential for this new found power.

These adults, however, -- the anti-gay industry leaders -- don't seem to have grown out of it. It's as though their testicular quest for the "kingdom of male" is the result of an arrested development. They seem to literally "get off" on the notion of demonizing gay men.

You lesbians are of course perfectly safe, you're hot!

A veritable public anti-gay circle jerk between the three of them can be found here. (More relevant commentary on the Michael Brown portion of it here.)

Normally my use of sexual inuendo and analogy is gratuitous, but in this case I find it wholly apt. The pleasure with which these men take in spreading hatred for gay men is palpable to the point of coming across as orgasmic.

~~Segue~~
If humans are the reflection of God in matter, as per the Bible, then men are the reflection of God in humans. And since the writers of the Bible were men, it makes sense that God was determined by them to also be a man (with a penis, no doubt), and that the superior status of men on Earth was determined to be “God ordained.”

The difference between then and now is that we’re no longer in a fight for survival, and as such, a hypermasculinized society is no longer necessary.

And so they are right, it’s not about hate. It’s about the love of their own ‘God ordained’ place in the hierarchy of man, which includes the “love” of hating anything or anyone who threatens that. Gay men are the quintessential example of a man turned inside out. Granting equal rights to us, not only takes away their feeling of specialness in the world, but mocks it in the process.

And the threat is real. No more feelings of specialness means no more feelings of pride for the sake of itself - the human path of least resistance.

And gay rights groups are anti-God, when you define your ego as God, and your masculinity as God’s gift to the world.

There is one important understanding which I seemed to have extracted from the hypermasculinity theory (which itself had to be extracted, because you can never get a straight answer out of these people), and that is that the attempt to define the objectivity of same-sex attraction OR same-sex sex as a moral issue, is not arbitrary but has a basis.

Noticeably void of the charge of immorality is any explanation as to how or why something objective can be something moral. When confronted on this fact, they usually just ignore the question or return to the “because the Bible says so” mantra. Often they compare homosexuality to a “sin” that harms one’s self or others, and then condemn them both the same.

Rick Scarborough made an uncharacteristic leap awhile back, saying “Now, if a man will commit the act of sodomy, you can pretty well decide he will do about anything, include lying.”

100% baseless, but to hell with the truth when the desire is to see and characterize gays (especially gay men) as evil.

Paul did the same thing in Romans 1:26-32:

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

First of all, this is the ONLY Biblical passage that deals with homosexuality, as it cites both men and women as examples. The rest are sketchy at best as depictions of even male homosexuality, as any Biblical scholar worth their salt will tell you.

Secondly, as far as all those descriptors of bad behavior, that’s pretty much an accurate view of human history - nothing special or homosexual about it.

Third, he does the same thing that the anti-gay bigots of today do by mentioning same-sex attraction and then, without basis, equates it with truly immoral behavior.

It would appear that Paul was an anti-gay bigot and wanted to see and depict gay people as evil, and/or, like many anti-gay bigots of today, he made the erroneous assumption that permissive societies lead to homosexuality, as opposed to the actuality that permissive societies just expose and allow for the open expression of the homosexuality that was already present.

He could have picked ANY product of an open and permissive society to make the same case, but what example does he choose to pick? The gays.

Nothing’s changed.

The so called “Christians” of today make that same mistake, but in addition, look to Paul’s erroneous observation as confirmation of their own (erroneous observation).

They look at the supposedly most open and permissive society on Earth, America, see “rampant” homosexuality, and conclude that all of the worlds ills are because God is angry with allowing we gays out of our proverbial closets (oh, and abortion too, because God needs we humans to create souls). All the while maintaining a “my shit don’t stink” attitude while starting illegal wars for oil, cutting programs for the poor, worshipping the accumulation of wealth, etc., etc., etc.

They EXEMPLIFY virtually every one of those descriptors of immoral behavior in Romans 1:28-32, then, instead of taking responsibility for the consequences of their destructive actions, blame it on the gays. But I digress…

Now, in Romans 1:26-27, Paul describes homosexuality as having “exchanged natural relations,” and having “abandoned natural relations.”

Actually, the only thing wrong with that is the “exchanged” and “abandoned” part, as it implies choice.

The not “natural” part is acceptable, in that homosexuality is not "natural" to anyone who is heterosexual, which we’re assuming Paul was (and there’s even some debate on that, but you'll have to Google that on your own).

So, getting to my point about how homosexuality, in and of itself, can be seen as a moral issue - which requires and understanding of evil.

Evil is not the opposite of love, nor is it the absence of love, it is the love of the absence of love.

So if heterosexual attraction is the attraction to love, then homosexual attraction is the attraction to the absence of love, and therefore the attraction to evil.

Or, homosexual sexual attraction is the attraction to repulsion itself.

This is how I see that they see it. If we’re too stupid to recognize the difference between repulsion and attraction, then surely we are too stupid to recognize the difference between love and the absence of it. Therefore, it is perfectly acceptable to equate same-sex attraction with any other definitively harmful sin on the roster.

They’ve even found a way to maintain this position should it ever be proven that we are born gay, by explaining that any gay gene (a “sin-gene” if you will) that were to be found would simply be the result of mankind’s fall from grace.

That one in particular is a take on the Romans 1 condemnation of homosexuality. The thinking being that mankind’s fall from grace could possibly be expressing itself through our genetic code as homosexual “tendencies.”

Bottom line is that they have no qualms about denying us the expression of our love (even in private if they had their way), because they see our love as literally the definition of evil. In their eyes, our love is not real, so to deny us of it, is to not deny us of anything but our own delusion…If only we could see that they really have our best interests at heart…

Mel White, founder of Soulforce, used to ghostwrite for Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, among others, and he has said that they (et al) are sincere in their beliefs. A claim I have had trouble believing due to the evidence of their organized campaign of lies and deception. And anyone who’s dealt with these people, both leaders and followers, understands that they’re not too bright in the logic and reason department. That said, it might make sense that they would see “the ends justifies the means” as a legitimate strategy.

We “unrepentant” gays are the expression of Satan (evil) in human form, as opposed to straights who are the reflection of God (love). Thus it’s acceptable to scapegoat us for everything under the sun in order to raise money, in order to implement their dominionist designs, in order to save humanity from itself.

The justification being that you can’t sin against sin, any lives that are ruined in the process are just collateral damage.

Time is running out, so better that a few people unnecessarily spend an eternity in hell due to intentional dishonesty (Paul Cameron studies, the Dutch Study, the Gay Report, et al), rather than the masses who would if we evil gays ever achieve equality.

In short, I think that if there is any sincerity within the anti-gay industry’s leaders, they see the fight against gay equality as a fight against Satan/evil itself. Which is why they can’t be publicly honest about their beliefs, positions and strategy, because they’d be seen as the hypocritical lying nut-cases that they truly are.

And to be clear, I don’t think they’ve even put this much thought into it, certainly the followers haven’t, but they continue to collectively plod along. And that’s why they’ll fail -- because they despise the truth, inside and out -- but not before doing everything they can to bring this world to its knees, in a submissive bow to their supremacist identity.

All in the name of "God's" will.

Unaffected

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(Photo of Matt Barber and Peter LaBarbera courtesy BoxTurtleBulletin.com)

American's for truth buffoonery at its best.

(Thanks to Good As You for this one.)
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Despite having pored over their website, I still can't tell if these people are for real or not (consider the title of the song), but apparently Peter LaBarbera does - so that's good enough for me!

Come On Down To The Farm


Peter LaBarbera: "Folk, there’s more common sense and wisdom in this three-minute video by country Gospel singer [Darlene McBride] than in a thousand court briefings by Lambda Legal (the leading homosexual activist legal pressure group" *

MADtv Darlene McBride- Take Back America Tour


*not actual quote.

Peter LaBarbera:

Here lies the face of the "modern tragedy of “gay” parenthood"

Peter LaBarbera: some children must remain unborn, and/or in foster care.

By Peter LaBarbera
One of the factors that makes the homosexual activist agenda so peculiarly evil is its habit of glomming on to humanity’s most noble institutions and truths — parenting, marriage, love, honesty, justice and “equality” — and putting them in the service of its starkly ignoble cause of winning acceptance for immoral and unhealthy homosexual behavior.

Homosexual behavior being code for sexual promiscuity. Ergo, according to Peter LaBarbera, homosexual parenting is equal to sexual promiscuity.

LaBarbera expounds: Now look at the “gay daddies” propaganda photo again. What emotions does it evoke in you?



LaBarbera expounds further: (If your answer is “joy” at this happy “family,” then you are either lying, deceived or you’ve lost your soul, and your mind.)
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Thus, if you don't see SHEER sexual promiscuity whilst viewing that photo, LaBarbera's Christian assessment of you as a lying deceitful mindless-soul...

...must therefore be accurate.

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Also see: Peter LaBarbera grows out bangs

Peter LaBarbera: "How will homosexual California couples — say, two men — consummate their “marriages”?

This blog post inspired by American's for Truth about Homosexuality.

Peter LaBarbera grows out bangs

The Unholy Trinity: Sally Kern, Matt Barber, and Peter LaBarbera

In the interest of supporting and promoting the free speech of Christians like Sally Kern, Matt Barber, and Peter LaBarbera, I offer the full transcript of the (3/14/2008) Concerned Women for America interview with Sally Kern. Apparently she didn't "love" us enough the first time around.

A teaser:

Sally Kern: It really ticks them off when I say, I believe they have the right to choose that lifestyle, because they have, you know, bombarded me -- we don’t have a choice, you know, we were born this way.

[Begin Transcript]

MATT BARBER: Homosexual Anti-Christian Hate Groups Attack Christian Lawmaker. I’m Matt Barber, CWA’s policy director for cultural issues. On the line with Oklahoma State Representative Sally Kern, and also on the line with president of Americans for Truth about Homosexuality, Peter LaBarbera. Now welcome to both of you.

SALLY KERN: Thank You.

PETER LABARBERA: Hey Matt.

MATT BARBER: Representative Kern, now I understand that you made a speech, a speech that was open to the public, in which you addressed the very dangerous, homosexual agenda, which is infiltrating our public schools, and which is really destroying the moral fiber of our country, and you have just been under tremendous assault, from multiple homosexual hate groups, and from other left wing activists, for your statements, is that right?

SALLY KERN: That’s absolutely correct, yes.

MATT BARBER: Now, one of the things I’ve noticed is that these groups are spinning this, as if to suggest that you somehow got caught, doing something secretive, something that you would not have otherwise said publicly, and that they somehow, infiltrated this speech that you gave and caught you saying something that you would not normally publicly say. Did you say anything there that you would not normally say from the floor of the State House, or in front of any group, or any media entity?

SALLY KERN: I did not. And you have it exactly right, they keep saying, you know, she was at a secret meeting, you know, she didn’t think, you know, her comments would get out, and uh, this was a public meeting. And had they even come up to me and said, hey we’re going to record your talk, that wouldn’t have changed it at all. I would have said the very same things. For one thing, I’ll be honest with you, I’m just, you know, I don’t think in terms of, and maybe I need to, like Scripture says, I need to become ‘little wiser like a serpent here, but, it never would have dawned on me that, I would’ve, you know, have been, being taped, in order to use it against me. I just don’t, uh, and like when I used the certain phrases itjstrlly set them off, I was not meaning that, in a sense to, you know, attack them.

MATT BARBER: Are you referring to, I’ve read some accounts, that are suggesting that you, said, uh, homosexuals are terrorists.

SALLY KERN: Yes, and I was not calling them…

MATT BARBER: Did you say that?…

SALLY KERN: I said that homosexuality, in my opinion, is a bigger threat to this nation, than terrorism. And I was just using a metaphor, just trying to make a point, so that my, fellow Republican colleagues, and especially, the church, would wake up and realize, that, they’re a threat to the moral fiber of this nation. The traditional family, and traditional marriage, one man and one woman. And that has been the bedrock of society for thousands of years. And, you know, the family is the first institution that God established. And they’re trying to tear that down, and that will not have healthy or positive consequences, for, our nation, or any nation, that wholeheartedly, embraces homosexuality. And that’s all I meant.

MATT BARBER: Now Pete, you’re there in Illinois, about what, fifty miles from Deerfield Illinois. Just one of the latest examples of just how homosexual activism, and embracing homosexual conduct, is harmful, tell us a little bit about, what we’ve been addressing at Deerfield High School, assigned, this book Angels in America. Which is really just racist, homosexual, pornographic smut. They assigned this to kids there in a Senior AP class, at Deerfield High School. Tell us a little bit about that, and how that all ties into what we’re talking about here Pete.

PETER LABARBERA: Yeah, and I think this is the key point, obviously Representative Kern is trying to make the point that this is an aggressive lobby that threatens America, and threatens children. And who would have thought, that we would be facing a situation, in which a play, Angels in America, which features the most vile descriptions of homosexual sodomy and blasphemy. I think there’s a phrase, suck my blank, Mother Teresa. The F word is all over it, it’s a glorification of homosexuality. This is being justified as taught to high school students, in an AP English Class. In the same vein, Matt, we’ve got, toddlers being taught to equate homosexuality with, love. All these children’s books, that, teach, very very very young children, that homosexuality is about love. This is an aggressive threat that most Americans are not aware of how great it is.

SALLY KERN: Exactly…

PETER LABARBERA: And this is the point she was trying to make.

MATT BARBER: Well, Sally, you are to be commended for taking a stand here, for exercising the kind of courage that it takes, and you know I think the proof is in the pudding here, the reaction, that you have received and, the hate speech, that has been lodged against you, by the radical left wing, and by these militant homosexual groups, hate groups like the Human Rights Campaign, I know, they’ve taken the lead on it, and several other groups. Really, they’re making your point for you.

SALLY KERN: Exactly…

MATT BARBER: They are absolutely opposed to the First Amendment, they’re opposed to free speech, their actions are anti-American, and you…

PETER LABARBERA: And they’re trying to destroy her.

MATT BARBER: And they’re trying to destroy you, politically, personally, and-and I understand, that, out of some the communications that you’ve received, that it’s actually put you in fear, for your personal safety. Is that correct?

SALLY KERN: Well, it has, on one hand, yes, I have had some that, you know, have, have made me fearful, but, I’m not dwelling on the fear, and I will not let fear, control my life, and let me just say this, I would-received a call yesterday, from someone who’s been, in the heat of this battle, for many years, long time ago, and got such encouraging words, and was encouraged to, go to God’s Word, look up every verse, that has to do, with faith, overcoming fear, and not being afraid. And I tell ya, I’m doing that, I’m making a list of them, I’m writing those verses out. I will be praying them over my family. I will be having prayer with my family. I have the most supportive husband, I’m so blessed in that regard. But I will not, and I can not let fear overcome me, but, they are trying to intimidate me, and to make me fearful. And so, by God’s grace, I’m standing against that fear.

PETER LABARBERA: To clarify, but the Department of Public Safety did assign you a bodyguard, because of the email threats that you received, right?

SALLY KERN: That is correct.

MATT BARBER: Now, speaking of verses, I-let me just read one here real quick. Matthew 5:11-12, actually two verses here. I think really en-encapsulates what you’re going through here. It says, ‘blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven. For in the same way they persecuted the prophets, who were before you.’ And it strikes me that that is just, perfectly applicable to your situation right here. You took a stand for Christ. You took a stand for Biblical truth. And you are suffering, tremendous persecution for that stand. You’re not backing down a lick, which, I love that kind of moxie, so congratulations to you fors-standing up to these bullies. And that’s what, that’s what they are, and I…

SALLY KERN: That’s right.

MATT BARBER: The homosexual lobby loves to use this, these, these, uh, terms about, you know, bullying, and you know, they’re they bullies, they’re the ones that are, bullying you and you’re, you’re standing firm…

SALLY KERN: Yes, they want tolerance for their lifestyle, but they offer no tolerance, if you disagree with them.

MATT BARBER: Yeah, bunch of hypocrites, uh…

PETER LABARBERA: Matt, we just had a, a situation last night, I went to speak, uh, Charlene Cothran, who you’ve had on the show, a former lesbian, once a gay activist, now she’s out reaching homosexuals for Christ. She was scheduled to speak at a restaurant, the Gay Liberation Network, which is a very radical group in Chicago, uh, called the-the restaurant in Rockford Illinois where she was to speak, and the re-they-they said they were going to have, van loads of people coming, suggesting that they were going to have, you know, tons of people coming to the restaurant, and the restaurant owner cancelled the event.

SALLY KERN: M,hm.

PETER LABARBERA: But they’re-they’re all about intimidating people. That’s what the gay lobby thrives on…

SALLY KERN: …Definitely. Exactly, I was supposed to give the invocation at a-a meeting, I wo-I don’t-name--the place, and they called on Tuesday I think and cancelled.

MATT BARBER: Well see and-and that’s come, all of that, everything we’re seeing here, comes as good news, to the, these homosexual activists. Because they know, they’re fearful, of an open dialogue. They’re fearful of a debate, because, we happen to have logic, truth, [SALLY KERN: Right.] reason, Scripture, God’s Word, natural law, biological law, all of these things on our side, [SALLY KERN: Exactly.] all they have is empty, and the hollow rhetoric and hyperbole, so they, in order to get their propaganda, to foist their propaganda upon, especially children, because as you, as you mentioned in your speech, that’s their primary target right now. [SALLY KERN: Yes.] In order to foist that propaganda on people, they have to shut down open dialogue, open debate. [SALLY KERN: Right.] And the only way they can do it through use of these types of Gestapo tactics. Which we’ve seen.

SALLY KERN: I was supposed to do a tape and interview this morning, for a local program that comes on, Sunday morning, and uh, they called yesterday and said, some homosexual group here Oklahoma called and said they wanted equal time, and of course the producer of this program, they already had the program set out, and they didn’t have time, so they called and cancelled, me, you know.

PETER LABARBERA: Well, and also, you know, you’re in a state where, didn’t the marriage amendment pass by over 70%, uh, Sally so... [SALLY KERN: I think 76, 78...] I mean, the fact is-is that Oklahomans do not support, the organized homosexual agenda, [SALLY KERN: Exactly, exactly.]and they’re trying to make an example of you, to build power in your state.

SALLY KERN: Exactly, and see, there’s a climate, in our state right now, that is embolding them, and it is the fact that we have a state senator who is running, who’s uh, Democrat, and very, uh, pro, homosexual. He is running against Senator Inhofe, who’s a wonderful Republican, Senator, and the State Senator is getting all kinds of support from out in California and everything, but he’s not letting the people in Oklahoma know it, but the homosexual groups here are really encouraged by that, and then the fact that our governor, appointed an openly homosexual, gentleman, to uh, the Corporation Commission, and he has to run for the seat in November, and so they are just, you know, really emboldened, and then I think the fact that they believe, Obama is going to win the Presidential Election, they think the floodgates are going to open for them, and so they are just, you know, dancing in the streets would be a, that’s another metaphor.

MATT BARBER: Right. Dancing in the streets around their golden calf.

SALLY KERN: Yeah.

MATT BARBER: Yeah, now I understand Sally that they’ve also targeted your family to a degree. Some of the homosexual blogs out there, are saying that you have, an, openly homosexual, son.

SALLY KERN: ‘Swhat they’re saying, uh huh.

MATT BARBER: Is there any truth to that, first of all, [SALLY KERN: No.] even if it if, there ok, so it’s not true?

SALLY KERN: It is not true. And they’ve even put out there on the blogs, an account that took place in 1989, in uh, Shawnee, Oklahoma, where a gentleman that has the same name, Jesse Kern, the middle name is different, but they didn’t bother to check. They just put it out there that, you know, was arrested for three counts of felony, and, one horrible…

PETER LABARBERA: Ow, Jeez.

MATT BARBER: Jus-it’s just an open smear campaign, it’s ju-disgusting.

SALLY KERN: …In 1989...

PETER LABARBERA: I understand talking to you before, that, a reporter for a TV station, actually asked you at the end of the interview, is it true that your son is gay? Did this actually happen?

SALLY KERN: Yes, I was blindsided, and uh, you know it took me, it-it really took my by surprise, and what I said to her was, I don’t think so, and that was not a, like, oh gosh, I hope he’s not. It wasn’t that kind, you know, and maybe I, I should have said, absolutely no, because, you know, my heart I know he’s not, but I was just so blindsided, and uh…

PETER LABARBERA: Well you don’t have anything to apologize for, that is beyond the pale of journalistic ethics. And it sounds to me like the journalism in Oklahoma, should examine itself, rather than examining you.

SALLY KERN: Well, we’re going to be looking into uh, if there’s any recourse, because uh, you know, it’s been put in print. In 1989 my son was in the seventh grade, we lived many many miles away from Oklahoma. And they don’t bother to check out facts if they think it will further, you know their...[MATT BARBER: Radical agenda.] ...radical agenda, which they adamantly admit--say they don’t have, but uh.

MATT BARBER: Well, let me ask you this. If your son were homosexual, would you love him any less?

SALLY KERN: Oh listen, I would love my son. I’m proud of him, he’s a talented, gifted musician, and he has made me so proud. He was interviewed. He got a call, yesterday by uh, our biggest newspaper here in the nation, in the state-excuse me, and they asked him that question, and he was so ticked off at it, first he said, you know, I really don’t know what my sexuality has to with any of this, but I’ll just tell you right off, I am straight, I’m not homosexual. Matter of fact I have taken a vow of celibacy, I did it when I was in the, a senior in high school, and at that point the reporter said, you mean you’ve never had sex? And he says, that’s right. You know, he still has his purity ring on.

MATT BARBER: Saving himself for marriage?

SALLY KERN: Well, yes, I hope so, one of these days. He is 32.

PETER LABARBERA: That’s a crime right?

SALLY KERN: Yeah, he is 32.

PETER LABARBERA: How fascinating that the homosexuals, and now even the media, would use alleged homosexuality of somebody else, as a weapon to hurt people. I mean, this movement is just surreal, the depths to which they will go to hurt Christians who oppose them.

MATT BARBER: It absolutely is Pete, an-and now, we know, we need to make sure and differentiate here between, the militant homosexual activist lobby, which I’m referring to now as anti-Christian hate groups, because that’s what they are. [SALLY KERN: Yes.] They hate Christianity, they hate God, they hate the Bible, and what it stands for, and so they’re out to destroy that. That which our Nation is rooted in, our Founding Fathers, and our Founding Documents, are all rooted in Scripture and Biblical truth They want to [SALLY KERN: Exactly.] destroy that and introduce a leftist secular humanist morally relative worldview that’s says anything goes, creating a kind of a sexual androgyny, where there are no clear distinctions between male and female, right and wrong. And so that’s what see the militant homosexual lobby doing, as compared to, and separated from, people who, self-identify, themselves, based on their, [SALLY KERN: Exactly.] their sexual behaviors. People who are ensnared, by the homosexual lifestyle. Sally, let me ask you this, do you hate homosexuals?

SALLY KERN: No sir, I do not, I don’t hate anyone. As you know, God is God of love, and as a Christian, with His spirit within me, I am to, exemplify the character of Christ, by the Holy Spirit within me, and one the fruit of the Spirit is not hate, it’s love. And I don’t hate them now, I disagree with them, but I don’t hate them. And you know, to me, Matt and Peter, that’s the heart of this issue. It’s not about bullying, it’s about speech, ok, because see anybody that disagrees with them, they don’t want them to be heard. They want to silence our right to free speech. And just disagreeing with someone, does not make you a hate monger. Someone sent me an email yesterday, I thought it was so good, they said they went in on uh, Google, and typed in “a bigger threat than terrorism,” and they said about ten things showed up, one of which, down low at the list, was homosexuality. You know what the first one was? Obesity. And so the gentleman said, you know, if you talk about the evils and the harm of obesity, the threat that it is to an individual’s health, are you saying you hate all obese people? No one would think were saying that. [MATT BARBER: Right.] And when you do the same thing about the harms and the evil of the activist homosexual agenda, and the harm that, the physical harm, the health consequences, of homosexuality, you mention those, with facts to support them, you are engaging in hate speech. Because they don’t want the truth to be known. They don’t want to deal with it themselves. It really ticks them off when I say, I believe they have the right to choose that lifestyle, because they have, you know, bombarded me -- we don’t have a choice, you know, we were born this way. In my Bible, that has, the God of love, on every page, who said, homosexuality is a sin, it is an abomination, a God of love would never make someone, like that, and then condemn them, for this.

MATT BARBER: Well we are the all born into sin, we’re all fallen nature.

SALLY KERN: [talking over Matt] Exactly…Exactly…Right.

MATT BARBER: People all have various temptations. But just because somebody has a temptation that feels natural, does not mean, that it is not sin to engage that temptation.

Well Pete, I’m going to ask you to stay on the line here. Representative Sally Kern, Oklahoma State Representative, I want to thank you [SALLY KERN: Thank you, Matt.] for coming on with us today, and I want to thank you for the stand that you’re taking, and the courage that you are exhibiting here. You’re really doing Christians around the country, and really around the world, proud, and--other law makers need to sit up and take note, and I would hope that they would follow your example, and exhibit the same kind of courage, that you are exhibiting in taking on this militant homosexual lobby, and helping to try to reestablish Biblical principles in public policy, and throughout our wider culture. So thank you so much for being with us, and thank you so much for your stand.

SALLY KERN: You’re very welcome, and it’s an encouragement to know that there are groups like Concerned Women for America that are out there, uh, praying for me, and uh, have my backside, and I-I really appreciate that.

MATT BARBER: Well God bless, thank you.

SALLY KERN: God bless you too.

PETER LABARBERA: Thank you Sally.

SALLY KERN: Thank you.

MATT BARBER: Alright now Pete, I asked you to stay on, because, Representative Kern has been, continuously attacked, I’ve-understand that there are quite a few, law makers, that have-have come to her defense, and that are actually supporting her, but there are a number who are not, including the Democrat Governor of Oklahoma, Brad Henry, who came out with really an inappropriate statement, an offensive statement, condemning Representative Kern, and uh, I just wanted to ask you, first of all, what do you think about that?

PETER LABARBERA: For the Democratic Governor to jump on the bandwagon and attack this woman, and let’s remember Matt, there has not been, she has not received an actual copy of the speech in full. All the attacks are based on a redacted version that was published on Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund’s website, so she hasn’t even heard the whole speech. She told me she gave the same speech to-four separate times, and never heard a complaint from a constituent, and even the media has relied on this homosexual redacted version of the speech, to do all their stories. There’s so many outrages here, and I, I really hope that people of faith and, conservatives across the country defend this woman, because, if they take her down, they’re only going to set their sites on somebody else.

MATT BARBER: Well, we’re going to ask people listening right now to do just that. To call the Governor’s office, there in Oklahoma, Governor Brad Henry, at [If you're that interested in calling, you can listen to the recording]. Let him know how you feel about him jumping on the bandwagon with these anti-Christian homosexual hate groups, and maligning, this fine woman and this fine legislator. Also they can go to their website and fill out a form email, it’s at glb.ok.gov, g-l-b dot o-k dot g-o-v, and there’s a way to contact the governor through a form email, and I know Pete, you’re going to be putting on out some information on this on your website, as well, and-and if anybody else wants to get further information on this from your website, where can they go?

PETER LABARBERA: Yes, uh, we’re going to publish some of the hate letters that she received, and they’re awful Matt, the most vile letters. Our website is Americans for truth dot o-r-g, Americans for truth dot org.

MATT BARBER: And finally, let’s just ask everyone listening right now to forward this information to their friends and family, and for everybody to come together, and pray, that this uh, this fine woman will continue to have the courage, and strength, that can come only from God, and uh to continue to stand firm in this.

Representative Kern has asked that people not send information directly to her, or letters of support directly to her, so we’re asking, that people contact their own United States Representative, or their Senator, and ask them to support Oklahoma State Representative Kern in this, as she is just is just being assailed by the left in this, and to offer their vocal support of her, and for her right to free speech, and for her right to the free religious expression and-and uh really, all things American. So that’s what we’re asking.

Well Pete, thanks so much for being uh, with us today as well, and uh, please let us know as you get updates on this, and uh, we’ll continue to inform our listeners as to what is going on with this uh, unfortunate situation.

PETER LABARBERA: Yes uh, let’s come to the defense of this woman, she’s obviously--they’re trying to destroy her as part of their overall plan to win acceptance across the country.

MATT BARBER: Thank you Pete.

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